Minor mistakes in Robert’s Rules don’t invalidate action
A recent news report described how a school board, realizing that no one had seconded the motion they approved, went back at the next meeting and voted on it again. This was a waste of time.
The purpose of “seconding the motion” is to be sure that at least two people on a board want to discuss the proposed action. Obviously if a board has passed a motion, at least two people wanted to discuss it, and did. A second is not a seal of approval or an “imprimatur” that must happen before action on a given proposal proceeds. It is just a way of confirming enough interest for discussion.
More small mistakes in Robert’s Rules
Similarly your board may have made some small mistake in Robert’s Rules in taking an action. Perhaps you allowed a member to withdraw their motion unilaterally, when most people wanted to continue discussion. Once a motion has been made, seconded, and stated by the chair, it belongs to the entire group, not to the member who made the motion.
Maybe the chair arbitrarily adjusted the agenda, postponing the topic of employee reviews to a future meeting, and no one spoke up. At the meeting, the group is in charge of its own agenda, not the chair.
Perhaps the chair, in calling for the vote, only asked for the votes in favor, and neglected to say, “All those opposed, please say ‘no.’” The chair must call for the negative vote, except in a few specific instances.
How to respond to mistakes in Robert’s Rules?
Robert’s Rules says that the correct way to object is to raise a Point of Order at the time of the mistake. If the members fail to do this, they have waived their right to object and tacitly accepted the outcome. The mistake does not invalidate the action taken.
It’s important to note that there are a few instances when you can raise a Point of Order at a future time. If the Point of Order concerns a “continuing breach,” it can be raised as long as the breach of the rules is in effect. If a member was elected to the board, for example, and later it is discovered that she is not eligible to serve, a Point of Order should be raised and action should be taken. Read more about “continuing breach” in Robert’s Rules of Order, Newly Revised, 12th edition, 23:6. As always, note that this is not legal advice. Please consult your attorney if you have a “continuing breach.”
What about mistakes in announcing the vote?
It occasionally happens that the chair hears a voice vote wrong, and calls the vote incorrectly. If everyone remains silent and the group moves on to the next item of business, the statement made by the chair is the official determination of the outcome, and stands as the action of the body.
In this particular situation, a member should loudly call out the word “DIVISION!” When this happens, the chair should take the vote again by having those in favor stand, and then those opposed stand. (Note that members are free to vote as they choose on this second attempt.)
Point of Order and Appeal are essential to address mistakes
Jurassic Parliament wants everyone to know how to use Point of Order and Appeal. In our view, they are essential to democratic action! Using them correctly requires education. Thank you, gentle reader, for educating yourself and your group on these critical rules. Rules, after all, are based on principles, and we study and follow them in order to act in a principled way in our meetings.
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Point of Order and Appeal are the heart of democracy
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When can you withdraw a motion?
You must call for the negative vote
Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised, 12th edition was published in September 2020. Our previously published materials refer to the 11th edition. In substance the two editions are the same. There are minor differences, textual changes, and a change in reference method. The new edition gives references by section number, not by pages.